Great trick with the crate. I dragged it in set it to 0,0,0 and it landed right in the middle of the room of the very first piece I placed (the same piece I set to 0,0,0 at the beginning) just slightly through the floor. It is a farmhouse w/basement.The end with the stairs to the basement was the first piece placed. The crate landed right in the middle of that piece on the floor in the basement. So I moved the coc marker to that location and deleted the crate, then tried it again. Still no juice. I moved everything to fit the crate but it still doesn't work. I dropped the crate back in and it landed in the same place (see pic). Since the crate landed in the basement I'm guessing the middle of the basement floor of that end piece is the 0,0,0 position. I'm starting to think the best bet would be to start over with the house. Something of note, I am able to coc to the dungeon and it works just fine. I can go through the doors between the two and everything. The dungeon is what I tried to cut/paste from the house cell into a new/separate cell and that's when everything went screwy with the house. Maybe I'll just use the dungeon to check and test instead of the house...lol. Thanks for all the help. Just a thought, you mentioned "without seeing what you've done in your .esp". Is there a way for you to see?