Wrye Bash Issues

[l0new0lf331]

im having issues with wrye bash.so imgoing to let you know what i got and where it is as im having issues setting up my game for the mix of OOO,MMM,fran's and Warcry.i know i gotta do a clean install,unfortunately my disc is gone now.i have th direct 2 drive(steam,...i hat them...lolz)so here it is:

Dell Inspiron INSP1440

Pentium Dual-Core CPU T4400 @2.20 GHz/2.20GHz

4.00 Gb RAM

300 Gb HDD

Windows 7 64-bit OS

Mobile Intel 4series family chipset(gayness but im saving for a better computer)

I know this aint crap to play this game with but amazingly enough i getverylittle sttutter in-game.settings aren't maxed but about halfway and does well enough.(even CoDMW2 plays well at optimal settings)

now locations.

My Game is located C:/Program Files(x86)/Bethesda/Oblivion

i used the wrye bash self installerwhich put it in my oblivion folder.

the wrye python installed all those components into my oblivion folder as well

i installed blender at a recommeneded location,these are the instructions i followed and it works fine(still learning the interface)

and am wondering since they had me change install locations and if i even have the right python for wrye bash.i read somewhere you need2.5.5 in order for it to work best.and i got 2.6.5 to work with blender.

Installation

Install Blender and the required support files per the following instructions.

This was documented on a Windows 7 Ultimate (64-bit) machine.

This documentation was designed to work well for Vista or Windows 7.

NOTE: You must use the 32-bit versions until all components have 64-bit editions. You cannot mix-n-match.

Install Python

Source: Python.Org

1. Run Python-2.6.5.msi

2. Setup - Select "Install for all users" and click Next

3. Select Destination - Click Next to accept default of C:\Python26\

4. Customize Python - Click Next to accept defaults

5. Setup Complete - Click Finish

Install Blender

Source: Blender.Org

1. Run Blender 2.49b.exe

2. Welcome - Click Next

3. License Agreement - Click I Agree

4. Choose Components - Click Next to accept defaults

5. Choose Location - Change from C:\Program Files\Blender Foundation\Blender to C:\Apps\Blender and click Next

6. Specify User Data - Select "Use Installation Directory" and click Next

7. Required System DLL Check - Click OK

8. Setup Complete - Click Finish

9. Make sure Blend starts up correctly and then close Blender.

If Blender fails to start, install MS Visual C++ 2008 runtime (included on this page)

Install PyFFI

Source: SourceForge.net

NOTE: If you do not have Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Runtime installed, do so now.

1. Run PyFFI-2.1.5-windows.exe

2. Select Language - Click OK to accept default of English

3. Welcome - Click Next

4. License Agreement - Click I Agree

5. Choose Components - Click Next to accept defaults of Documentation, Python 2.6 (32 bit) and Blender 2.4x (Python 2.6, 32-bit)

6. Choose Install Location - Change from "C:\Program Files\PyFFI" to "C:\Apps\PyFFI" and click Install

7. Setup Complete - Click Finish

8. Delete the "QSkope" shortcut on your desktop.

Install NIF Scripts

Source: SourceForge.net

1. Run blender_nif_scripts-2.5.5-windows.exe

2. Welcome - Click Next

3. License Agreement - Click I Agree

4. Choose Install Location - Click Next to accept default of C:\Apps\Blender\.blender\scripts

5. Choose Documentation Location - Change from C:\Program Files\NifTools\Blender NIF Scripts to C:\Apps\NifTools\Blender NIF Scripts

6. Installation Complete - Click Next

7. Setup Complete - Click Finish

8. Review the Readme and then close the file.

Install NifSkope

Source: SourceForge.net

1. Run nifskope-1.0.22-windows.exe

2. Welcome - Click Next

3. License Agreement - Click I Agree

4. Choose Install Location - Change C:\Program Files\NifTools\NifSkope to C:\Apps\NifTools\NifSkope and click Install

5. Installer will check for required DLLs - Click OK

6. Installation Complete - Click Next

7. Setup Wizard - Click Finish

8. Review the Readme and then close the file.

Configure NifSkope

1. Start NifSkope

2. Click Render, Settings

3. Click the button called "Auto Detect Game Paths" which should add Oblivion's Data folder.

4. If you extracted Oblivion's BSA files with BSA Commander, also add that path by clicking Add Folder

5. I also like having a 3rd path which always gets changed each time I download and extract a mod to a temp folder such as C:\Downloads\.

6. Click Render, Settings and make sure "Startup Version" is 20.0.0.5

7. Change the background color to match Oblivion's menu color by clicking Render, Settings, Colors tab, right-click on Background, click Hex Edit, type in RGB values of E6 CE A4

8. On an as-needed basis, toggle the display of the collision box by clicking Render, Draw Havok.

E - X - T - R - A - S

Install YafaRay - This is an additional render program for use with Blender.

Source: YafRay.org

1. Run YafaRay-0.1.1.exe

2. Installer Language - Click OK to accept default of English

3. Welcome - Click Next

4. License Agreement - Select "I accept the terms of the license agreement" and click Next

5. Select Destination Location - Change from "C:\Program Files\YafaRay" to "C:\Apps\YafaRay" and click Next

6. Installation Complete - Click Next

7. Setup Complete - Click Finish

i apologize for the lenght of this but i am lost trying to get this to work.do you know a complete step by step to use?the wiki sucks for this as i need to know exact install locations and the troubleshooter failed to enlighten me as to the problem.also do i have to change my python out of blender?i downloaded all the required file for Wrye Bash but am not sure what i did wrong.please help.thank you

[Hanaisse]

Hi lonewolf, welcome to TESA

The first thing you need to do is re-install Oblivion outside of the Program Files folder. You'll have nothing but headaches if you leave it there.

Create a folder C:\Games and redirect the install to it so it comes out C:\Games\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion. The rest of these instructions will assume you've done that.

The lastest Wrye Bash has issues, so this is my suggestion. From the Nexus page download;

- the Wrye Python 03a package,

- the Wrye Bash 275 Self Installer,

- then scroll down the page and find Wrye Bash 287 - Archive Version and download (this is the most stable version).

The python 03a package has version 2.6.5 in it, but also has additional files required.

Uninstall the python 26 you have.

Launch Python 03a, it's an installer that will guide you through installation of all required files. Don't worry, it won't hurt Blender or anything.

Once that's installed, launch Wrye Bash 275 Self Installer and let it install to your (new) Oblivion folder.

Once that's installed unzip Bash 287 into your Oblivion folder and let it overwrite the existing files.

When that's done find the Wrye Bash Launcher.pyw file in the Mopy folder and copy a shortcut to your desktop.

It'll do some strange things when you first launch it but otherwise you should be good to go.

[l0new0lf331]

Hi lonewolf, welcome to TESA

The first thing you need to do is re-install Oblivion outside of the Program Files folder. You'll have nothing but headaches if you leave it there.

Create a folder C:\Games and redirect the install to it so it comes out C:\Games\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion. The rest of these instructions will assume you've done that.

The lastest Wrye Bash has issues, so this is my suggestion. From the Nexus page download;

- the Wrye Python 03a package,

- the Wrye Bash 275 Self Installer,

- then scroll down the page and find Wrye Bash 287 - Archive Version and download (this is the most stable version).

The python 03a package has version 2.6.5 in it, but also has additional files required.

Uninstall the python 26 you have.

Launch Python 03a, it's an installer that will guide you through installation of all required files. Don't worry, it won't hurt Blender or anything.

Once that's installed, launch Wrye Bash 275 Self Installer and let it install to your (new) Oblivion folder.

Once that's installed unzip Bash 287 into your Oblivion folder and let it overwrite the existing files.

When that's done find the Wrye Bash Launcher.pyw file in the Mopy folder and copy a shortcut to your desktop.

It'll do some strange things when you first launch it but otherwise you should be good to go.

[l0new0lf331]

thank you very much.i will post back as soon as i do this and let you know if it worked.now one more thing....blender...will it still go through python wherever i put it?as i said im only just learning the tool and the tutorials i found so far are crap.im still having trouble with the interface.but thats still later for me as im cruising through the tescs rightnow.made a coulpa personal homes and am working on something to upload,simple house but hey walk first right?once again thank you.

[Hanaisse]

You're welcome.

Yes, blender will still work. Since python will install in C:\python 26 it will know where to find it.

Good luck with Blender. It's difficult, yes, lots of people here are still learning. Keep at it and it'll get easier.

[HeyYou]

There are some beginner tutorials available here for blender as well. Make sure to check them out.

[l0new0lf331]

Cool.i got it to work.and i'll look here for those blender tutorials.your tutorials for the CS are the best i found so far.hopefully the blender tutorials are as good.thank yu both i appreciate the help.

[l0new0lf331]

wrye bash issues part 2

ok.so i got it to work.and having experimented with it i gotta ask....WTF!?!

without bashing the patch and only having ooo and mmm in,i go to viverin and have the thugs and new types of skeletons,put in warcry,frans,and fcom its no longer there.

how exactly do you build the patch.

i imported everything and it all goes away in game.another example,i use the cute elf mod.at first i can change eyes,hair.i bash the patch and i cant do that anymore.

so iguess i need to know what importing does exactly(the readme and help files dont explain it)and what exactly doi need to do in order to get all of it.frans wouldnt even show up.should i uncheck all im importing?

thank you for your help in this.

[Hanaisse]

An FCOM setup is a whole different wild untamed beast. Whatever issues are most likely not due to Wrye Bash.

1. Make sure you use BOSS to sort your load order first. Very important.
   
2. Make sure all your mods are checked.
   
3. Rebuild patch.
   
4. If any of the mods are mergeable it will tell you that it's going to de-activate them. This is good.
   
5. It's always best practice to go through each "Import" category on the left side of the bash patch window. Highlight the category and on the right side window it will tell you if there is anything to import. Check everything in the right window, then make sure the category is checked in the left window.
   
6. The "Globals" and "Tweaks" categories are OPTIONAL. Decide what you want to use, or don't use any. It's up to you. (TIP: Don't use Mayo's skeleton tweak)
   
7. Yes, import "Race Records" like the other Import categories.
   

If by doing this "it all goes away in game", then something else is wrong. Post a load order by right clicking the heading FILE in Bash, choose List Mods, and copy/paste it.

[l0new0lf331]

I have OBMM,BOSS and Wrye Bash.i use OBMM for main mod actvation,BOSS to sort,and Wrye to bash them.my FCOM is FCOM convergence and i DL'd uFCOM which is the omod conversion data by dev_akm

ok.i always use BOSS.heres how i do it.

deactivate deadly reflex

run BOSS

reactivate DR

left click oblivion.esm

scroll down to unneccessary violence Shift/left click

select mark mergable,get the pop up of mergables

right click on the bashed patch,rebuild

go through and click on everything to be merged/imported

start game

in game i leave the sewers and go to vilverin.in there the first NPC i meet should be a viverin thug.along the way there should be a coupla uberhulk larvaes,and the second level has always varied(even when it was just OOO and MMM)from skeletons with some armor to some zombie mistress/and her elven undead.i also go to fort urasek to see if the fallen ones are there.thats my test to see if its all in.

so i did it again,start new game,pick cute elf(i imported evrything including race records)CANNOT change eyes or hair.so i go to my save game at the end of the starter dungeon and go to vilverin.no uberhulks,no thugs,just a slaughterfish flopping on the shore and a bandit as i head down into vilverin,but i go to ft urasek and the fallen ones are there this time.so im not sure what im doing wrong with it. ever since i got BOSS i trust the load order it givesandi always read the report it gives.so here's my loadout

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm

01  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]

02  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]

03  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]

04  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]

05  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.7.1]

06  UnnecessaryViolence.esm

07  HorseCombatMaster.esm

08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]

09  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp

0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]

0C  Better Cities .esp

0D  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp

0E  Symphony of Violence.esp

0F  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.0]

10  WindowLightingSystem.esp

11  Ultimate 3rd Person Camera.esp

12  Xia_Nhary_TwilightAssassin.HGEC1.1Normal.esp

13  Living Economy.esp

14  Living Economy - Items.esp

15  Cutthroat Merchants.esp

16  moDem's City Life.esp

17  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp  [Version 1.8]

18  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.2]

19  DLCHorseArmor.esp

1A  DLCOrrery.esp

1B  DLCVileLair.esp

1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

1D  DLCSpellTomes.esp

1E  Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp

1F  blacktemplarweapons.esp

20  JediLightsabersWithSheathFIX.esp

21  VA_UniqueKatana1.esp

22  VA_UniqueKatana1Replace.esp

23  Thieves Arsenal.esp

24  SexyKunoichi.esp

25  DLCThievesDen.esp

26  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

27  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]

28  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08]

29  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]

2A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]

2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

2C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

2D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]

2E  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

2F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

30  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

31  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

32  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

33  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

34  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

35  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

36  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

37  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

38  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

39  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

3A  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]

3B  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]

3C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]

3D  GrayFoxOutfit.esp

3E  AyleidArrows.esp  [Version 1.8]

3F  GoldenCrest.esp

40  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp

41  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp

42  MountainTower.esp  [Version 6.0]

43  Return Of Shadows.esp  [Version 1.07]

44  Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp

45  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

46  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

47  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

48  DLCFrostcrag.esp

49  Knights.esp

4A  The Lost Spires.esp

4B  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

4C  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]

4D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]

4E  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

4F  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]

50  xulTheHeath.esp

51  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp

52  XulEntiusGorge.esp

53  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]

54  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]

55  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]

56  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]

57  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]

58  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]

59  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]

5A  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]

5B  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]

5C  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]

5D  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]

5E  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]

5F  LostSwordoftheAyleids-ArriusCreek patch.esp

60  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]

61  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp

62  xulPantherRiver.esp

63  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]

64  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]

65  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]

66  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]

67  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]

68  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]

69  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]

6A  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]

6B  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp

6C  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]

6D  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]

6E  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]

6F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]

70  DB_NightMotherMoney5k.esp

71  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp

72  Speedy Disrobe OBSE.esp  [Version 1.3]

73  Skillbased Thieves Guild Invitation_HARDER.esp

74  StarX Vampire Deaths.esp

75  Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp

76  RealisticForceLow.esp

77  RealisticForceMedium.esp

78  RealisticForceHigh.esp

79  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp

7A  StarX VVR_OOO Patch.esp

7B  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp

7C  Telekinetic Mastery.esp  [Version 2]

7D  MidasSpells.esp

7E  attack and hide medium v2.1.esp

7F  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp

80  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp  [Version 4]

81  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]

82  Oblivion XP - OOO.esp

83  Oblivion XP - Midas Magic.esp

84  Oblivion XP - The Lost Spires.esp

85  Seph's new animations.esp

86  Dark Dungeons -  SI.esp  [Version 1.0]

87  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]

88  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]

89  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

8A  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

8B  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

8C  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

8D  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

8E  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

8F  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

90  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

91  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.7.0]

92  qazFingerSnap.esp

93  UnnecessaryViolence.esp

94  SWalk.esp

95  HGEC Black Templar Armor.esp

96  ArashikagesGear.esp

97  StarX Mystic Flames Resource.esp

98  GoldenCrestBattlehornComp.esp

99  aaWolfeManor.esp

9A  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

this is what BOSS just did.so if im missing something or theres a mod im running that i shouldnt(i know the last to load gets used)whats overwriting what?any help is appreciated as i would love to play it not just mod it.

the realistic force i only use one,and my bashed patch is above SWalk.esp

Edited October 30, 2010 by l0new0lf331

[Hanaisse]

Ok, this post is going to be long, and probably boring, but there is so much going on here it's all necessary to say. This is not a wrye bash issue it's now the dreaded FCOM install issue.

That is one HARD CORE game you've got going on. And it's going to be rough to build. Don't expect to just toss everything in and it will run smooth because it won't. This will take some work, and trial and error.

First of all, where's the Bashed Patch in your LO? Is it active? Need to see it so I can see what's before and after it - this is very important.

I don't understand your process at all. There's no reason to deactivate DR before running BOSS. Deadly Reflex should definitely be before the bashed patch. There's no reason to highlight only oblivion and unnecessaryviolence and marking mergeable. ALL your esp's just need to be checked in order to be properly merged by the bashed patch.

You have a lot of esp's here that should have been merged and de-activated. Wrye Bash should be telling you this, if done properly. A little trick I use, re-date your bashed patch (right click > File > Redate) to the current date so that all your mods will be recognized before running BOSS, and again before rebuilding the patch. This ensures nothing will be missed.

BOSS is ordering everything correctly as far as I can tell. BUT, the order in which each mod is installed is VERY IMPORTANT, as follows;

Unofficial Oblivion Patch + UOP Supplemental

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch(if applicable)

DLC's + Patches(if applicable)

Frans 4.5b

OOO version 1.33 full patched to OOO 1.34 beta5

Oblivion WarCry

Bob's Armory

Armamentarium and Armamentarium Artifacts(optional)

Shivering - OOO

MOBS or OMOBS

Martigen's Monster Mod 3.7b3

FCOM 9.9 beta + supported add-ons

To complete FCOM, install the UFCOM files, overwriting where prompted.

**** Rebuild patch here

Any add-ons

**** Rebuild patch again

All other mods

**** Rebuild patch again

Very very important: WAIT the 3 day cell reset time before going anywhere, preferably from an indoor location (try coc testinghall, find Hawkhaven then can fast travel out again)

Now on to what's wrong with your load list.

Missing Unofficial Patches - required

Update the Unofficial patch with Supplemental 3.3.3

All the Unofficial DLC patches + Supplemental (part of above)

OMOBS, OMOBS-SI (mergeable) (important per the BOSS note)

Missing Fran's stuff;

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm - required

FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9] - required - mergeable

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm - optional

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9] - required if using the .esm - mergeable

Missing OOO stuff;

Shivering - OOO.esp - mergeable

Missing MMM stuff;

Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3] - required with DLC-Knights

Stuff that should be merged by the bashed patch;

FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3]

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]

ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]

Additional Notes;

READ THIS: http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1119325-50steps-to-stable-fcom/

Better Cities is up to version 4.8.0

Enhanced Economy is recommended over Living Economy

I can't tell you why exactly why you're missing specific mobs in Vilverin. The recommendations above may help, or may not. But they need to be done to stablize your load order first.

[l0new0lf331]

well ive been fighting with it all day.hardcore doesnt quite cover it.(thought i heard my computer weeping and plotting a very bloody demise for me)my bash patch is usually right after unneccessary violence(not sure why that didntcopy o_O)and its active.as for deadly reflex i read somewhere(i think it was dev_akm'sFCOM page....and on more than one occassion during my search)that its best to load dead last,and not to be merged(iguess it causes CTD's in some cases)so i moved the bash patch to just before deadly reflex and got MMM activity in viverin AND got warcry.but i didnt get to change my elfs eyes or hair.i figured there was a certain way to put them all in but everywhere i looked didnt find anything like what you said.dev_akm's page was good but didnt get in depth for install order(ive seen ooo 1st mmm 2nd,etc. a few different versions on different pages) i guess(or is outdated which is what i think)

i uninstalled frans as a experiment this morning just before i got your post

all of those you stated ARE merge patches(MMM looting,etc.,etc)

i have the UOP's (forgot to put them in)

i didnt put in mobs as i thought it was a part of fran's like realswords.

my MMM is an omod and didnt give a .esp for knights ill hunt one down

im gonna figure the unofficial DLC patch is the unofficial official mods patchwhich i got today.

have the uop shivering isles(why that wasnt in i dont know coulda swore i actvated it)and got the mobs version for frans

i knew this wouldnt be easy.everywhere i read says that fcom is a beast.

so a coupla questions.....does the bash patch .esp keep that info in there even though you rebuild it?say for example i build it once and it has my ooo stuff does that remain when i add mmm and rebuild it withh ooo and mmm?.....hmmmm....thats not what im trying to say i think....maybe keep ooo/....ooo/mmm no overwrite idk i hope you see what i mean...is it doublingup the ooo(if so that would explain an issue i was running into ,build it with everything checked,then try with only a coupla things checked start game,select load,and the loading screen would only go a quarter of the way )

and should i copy a new patch for when i do this ALL.......OVER.....AGAIN*sighs*

all of these are omods so ill deactivate them,defrag my folder,and start again.

will also try that date trick.i didnt experiment too much with any of the features because i dont want my computer to gak up on me(thing gave me the finger today)so ill copy your response to my desktop get some coffee and hide the hammer so i dont do something stupid.

*sighs again*all was well with just OOO & MMM.....why oh why oh why

and thanks for all your help.i appreciate it.will let you know after i do this how it works.

[l0new0lf331]

holy crap.theres alot more than i realized to getting this to happen.the last link showed me ALOT of what i didnt know.PYFFI can be used like that!?well it might be a minute before i get back to ya.gotta go to school again.

still thanks.

[Hanaisse]

Your poor PC. But hey, you're lucky. At least it's not CTD'ing.

The install order I listed above is basically taken from the link, in a more condensed form. There are extra things listed on that page, and you can go through it if you like but things like PFFYI'ing meshes is not necessary, and not something you need to worry about right now.

If DR needs to be loaded last (I see that on the Nexus download page) then trust BOSS to put it last. If, by any chance, it doesn't, you can always redate it as I mentioned above. It should be before the bashed patch though.

I totally forgot about the Cute Elves issue, sorry. The only thing I can recommend is to download the manual install version. It sounds to me like the OMOD isn't installing properly. With a manual install at least you'll know the meshes and textures are being put in the data folder properly.

As for your questions;

"does the bash patch .esp keep that info in there even though you rebuild it?"

No, it recreates every time, with no history of what it did 5 minutes ago. So what it did with OOO is not the same as what it does with OOO + MMM. No, there's no doubling of information. Does that help?

"all of those you stated ARE merge patches(MMM looting,etc.,etc)"

Hmm, if they are then Bash should have de-activated them and they would have a little plus sign in the checkbox and turn green. If after building the patch they are still checked, uncheck them and see what happens.

"im gonna figure the unofficial DLC patch is the unofficial official mods patchwhich i got today."

Yes, sorry, I should have used the right wording. That's it.

"and should i copy a new patch for when i do this ALL.......OVER.....AGAIN*sighs*"

Probably best, yes.

As an FYI, it may help, you can rebuild the Bash Patch over and over again without hurting anything. In fact, it's best to get into the habit of rebuilding after every new mod is installed.

Also, before you start over, make sure you do a clean save after you de-activate all the mods, on all your characters.

Good luck

[l0new0lf331]

just a quick one

the cute elves thing......before i bashed the patch,i only had OOO,MMM and a coupla small mods added,i chose the character,could choose eyes hair,and when i got in game she had all her abilities(coupla spells and a necklace thingy announcing rank)thats been my main characterso a clean save will have to be done with her,,.....but anyway,it was when i bashed the patch and went too start a new game(the first one mentioned here was actually the guinea pig,but became the main because of this),thats when i couldnt change eys or hair.so its all in there this i know and this is where im wondering what exactly importing does and if im doing something wrong.when i get the rebuild of my game done(either today ro in the next couple of days we'll see)i'll try to get some screenshots of my patch building.i only have the trial version of fraps but ill do what i can so you can get a better sense of what im saying here.i am going to go through the link you gave me and follow that as best i can as the step by step seems pretty damn good.PYFFI'ing im not yet ready for anyway but i will look into it as my interest in modding and gamemaking is growing more and more.

but as far as it goes it may be the install order i did.ill let you know...lata playa

[l0new0lf331]

yeah so anyway....

i did a clean install of the game,added one by one all themods,building and rebuilding patches as i went.everything is in.thanks for the links.

and yet,im totally lost with this one.the cute elves thing,even building a patch and activating the omod as the last to load,example

Black templar armor

bashed patch

cute elves

still CANNOT change eyes and hair.

built the patch with it in,CANNOT change eyes and hair,

put rens in and took rens out still the same thing

tried removing tags

tried dating it to no avail

any ideas whats causing this?

[l0new0lf331]

SORRY ABOUT THAT.FIGUREDNIT OUT(KINDA)i deleted the omod and redownloaded the omod and put it in dead last(outside the bashed patch)and it works.my only theory is that it got corrupted somehow in the importing and merging.idk..........somewhere a snowmonkey laughs.lolz

onward to learning how to merge esp's with gecko,so my 100+armor mods can go in.thank you for your help

p.s.if you do happen tpo figure it out or come up witha better theory let meknow.thanx

also found a hot fix for DR5 so i got ir in the bashed patch and so far so good.

Edited November 5, 2010 by l0new0lf331

[Hanaisse]

Awesome, good work

I'll try to find someone who knows more about Cute Elves, because that person is not me.

[Arion]

I'm using cute elves version 1.35 and had some problems with it. Trying to go back now and see what your problem is. Kind of confused with all the bash and mods your using. Give me a bit and I'll be back and edit this with any info I can to help.

Edit - The problem with cute elves is that you can't change the eyes and hair or did I miss something?

[Hanaisse]

Yes, that's the issue. Hope you can help

[Arion]

I had a lot of problems fixing this for someone else. Missing body parts, face and hair black. I tried to use the OMOD file that was on nexus and if I remember correctly I had to change body textures in the race configuration and then I extracted the OMOD to a compressed file and rebuilt the OMOD. I'm not sure but I think the problem started originally with the mod because he says it was bashed. Don't know if that made any difference but it was a mess trying to straighten it out. I have a compressed file that I made before i installed BOSS and Wrye Bash in my game. I have it loaded in a bash patch now without any ill effects. Below is my load order to show where it's located. Look for the <-----------------------------------

My first suggestion is take the OMOD you have without any changes and use OBMM and tell it to extract it to a compressed file. (You can do this without having it activated in OBMM) Copy it some where else in a temp directory and extract it and look at the file paths and verify that they are correct.

If this doesn't solve it for you let me know and I'll dig it up and see what else I can do with it for you.

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm

01  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]

02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]

03  CM Partners.esm

04  Toaster Says Share v3.esm

05  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]

06  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]

07  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp

09  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]

0A  Rainbows.esp

0B  WindowLightingSystem.esp

0C  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp

0D  Kill_Bruma_Statue.esp

0E  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp

0F  DLCHorseArmor.esp

10  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]

11  DLCOrrery.esp

12  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]

13  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

14  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]

15  DLCSpellTomes.esp

++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]

++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

16  Acolyte_Of_Kynareth_HGEC.esp

17  GizmodianNetherweaveRobe.esp

18  Ice Gowns for HGEC.esp

19  KDDwemerSpectacles.esp

1A  Retma Dresses.esp

1B  Reznod_Mannequin_HD[Eng].esp

1C  Ryk_SorceressArmor.esp

1D  Ryk_Swimwear.esp

1E  ShaiyaOutfit.esp

1F  TM's HGEC Ball Gown.esp

20  TM HGEC Ball Gown-LFRecolorSet.esp

21  tona_clothes_and_underwear_v2.esp

22  Ryk_AtholBrose.esp

23  Ryk_SimpleDress.esp

24  Morrowind Robes and Dresses for HGEC.esp

25  Slof's Black Unicorn.esp

26  AncientTowers.esp

27  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]

28  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]

++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]

29  AkaviriSamuraiShop.esp

2A  Better Benirus Manor.esp

2B  eyja.esp

2C  SB IC Palace Tower Light Mod v1.1 - Modified Version.esp

2D  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp

2E  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp

2F  Kariba.esp

30  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

31  WeynonRetreat.esp

32  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

33  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]

34  DLCfrostcrag.esp

35  Knights.esp

36  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]

**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

37  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]

38  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]

39  The Lost Spires.esp

3A  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

3B  HoarfrostCastle.esp

3C  ElsweyrAnequina.esp

3D  Badmagic - Landscape Fix for 20 -18.esp

3E  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

3F  CTAddPose_glock3.esp

++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

40  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]  <-------------------------------------------------------------

41  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

42  Elves Of Lineage II.esp

43  ArieElf.esp

44  IDKRRR_KFME4rev.esp

45  IDKRRR_Moira_race.esp

46  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp

47  CM Partners.esp

48  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

49  TheOubliette.esp

++  Faction Rank Fix.esp

++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]

4A  ArionGoodyChests.esp

4B  Eagles Landing v1.esp

4C  Wellspring Vale.esp

4D  DarknessHollows.esp

4E  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[l0new0lf331]

@arion.yes thats been the issue.when i start a new game i pick the race but i cant change her eyes.and it random what hey are,sometimes red sometimes black.the hair cant be changed either.so far redownloading and putting it dead last without merging and importing lets me use th mod as it should be.the strange thingwas that the first version i had seemed corrupted somehow.i only say this because when i did my clean re install of oblivion in order to get FCOM goodness(which is there....finally)i did the exact same thing.i built the patch without cute elves in at all.then activated it to be last in the load order and it still wouldnt let me change the eyes or hair.so my limited thinking got me to redownload it and try that and now it works.it seems that the import and merge did something with the eye and hair options.idk any other explanation.

and when i first downloaded it it did work.and i never had any conflicts with it in my obmm.is it possible that since rens is a part of cute elves(also a couple more beauty packs in there)that importing takes those resources and spraeds them out over the race lists?and then not put them back?just shooting some hairbrained theories.

im not sure ill need to extract.as i said the new download works just fine(its the same 1.3.5 that i downloaded before),i just cant put it in to the bash patch without the stated issues.

just bear with me im still learning how to do most of this.my current project is trying to use DMC stylish with mur_zik's sexywalks.i found a solution on blade of mecy's 50 +++ page and am trying to get that to work.TES4Edit seems easy enough yet im playing cautios.still studying the blender interface for creating things for the game.and animation.and tescs,etc.etc.this game taught me alot about what goes in to a game.and how much work you have to do in order to play the damn thing!!lolz!!!

and can someone tell me why even with the HGEC body mod(or even exnems)a dainty little cute elf,wood elf,or even imperial women have man hands?i kid you not.i open up my inventory she has a dainty female body yet hands and arms like a guy.........weird.no im not using roberts mod.theyseem to be the vanilla arms andhands.i heard that bethesda basically gave male and female much the same with some features,is there a mod or patch that fixes this?

Edited November 5, 2010 by l0new0lf331

[Arion]

I don't know. Mine's been bashed and patched and it works. Took a lot of tweaking with the setup for the race to have it work. What I have now is not the original OMOD.

I'll create a new character and post a new here for you with a snapshot.

Here

Here

Here

This is pretty much the default. I didn't bother workign with her face since its only a test.

If you are using HGEC then go into the race menu and make sure that you have the myelf foot texture set for upper, lower, and foot. There's a hand in there as well.

[l0new0lf331]

yeah that did it.now she actually looks like a cute elf.thanx.will post screenshots when im done figuring out these idle poses and the dmc walks.so far i got the walk without a sword and the walk with a one hand sword.having trouble trying to getthe walk with two hand sword without overwriting the sword on shoulder idle(which is the two handed sword idle).tried renaming the 0Sexywalk01.kf to twohandforward.kf.all that did was give me the one hand walk that comes with sexy walk.any ideas how i could mix the pose withe walk?

[l0new0lf331]

errr.......yeah.......how do i post my screenshots and the 30sec vid for my animation deal?