Unexplained CDT

[DeTazDvl]

I'm getting an odd CTD just south of Fort Magia between the Red Ring Road and the coast of Lake Rumare. I narrowed it down to Reclaiming Sancre Tor, but I'm not certain what it's conflicting with. With RST disabled the CTD goes away and with it activated CTD. I just started a new game because I was getting this on my previous play through and thought it was something else. My mod load order is reflected below. I've used BOSS to set the load order and made a new bash patch with RST active and still get the CTD. Right now I have it deactivated so I can play. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking forward to playing through this expansion.

DeTaz

Oblivion.esm

SoVvM.esm

Cobl Main.esm

TamRes.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

BathingMod_Base.esm

CM Partners.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

Better Cities .esp

TamRes.esp

LoadingScreens.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

AliveWaters.esp

AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp

Reaper's Adjustable Oil Lamp.esp

ToggleShaders.esp

Living Economy.esp

Living Economy - Items.esp

Cutthroat Merchants.esp

Quest Log Manager.esp

VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp

Map Marker Overhaul.esp

Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp

BeyondCyrodiilMarkers.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

Binoculars.esp

Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp

Eternal Dragon Armor Heavy.esp

Dual God Rings.esp

Tyrael Armor.esp

FB_DC_Mega_Pack_OMOD_BC1_H.esp

Kylin.esp

Slof's Horses Base.esp

Slof's Extra Horses.esp

CallMount.esp

CallMountStableMaster.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp

OOO-WaterFish.esp

(DC) Kvatch Watch Towers.esp

BrotherhoodRenewed.esp

ceme.esp

(DC) Sutch Reborn.esp

EM_RedRoseManor.esp

EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp

ICTalosPlazaHome.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

bladesfactionmod.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

Northern Front.esp

Scribe Supplies.esp

TheElderCouncil.esp

(DC) The Pride of Wolfs Gate.esp

TinyHouse.esp

COBLaddonTinyHouse.esp

VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

GuardsofCyrodiilRedux.esp

Weye.esp

Valenwood.esp

Summerset.esp

SummersetLandscapes.esp

ElsweyrAnequina.esp

Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp

Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp

HTBAranmathi - noCOBL.esp

road+bridges.esp

Northern Front - road+bridges - compatibility .esp

Gottshaw Village.esp

OOO-Sutch patch.esp

bartholm.esp

Fort Akatosh Redux.esp

FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp

Legion Ranger Addon.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

Bag of Holding.esp

Better Dungeons.esp

Enchanted Portable Tent.esp

HUD Status Bars.esp

RingOfWings_Wingless.esp

Teleport Everywhere.esp

Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp

TweakAthleticsNoSpeed.esp

BathingMod_Soap.esp

BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp

BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp

Basic Primary Needs.esp

SetEssentialActors.esp

CM Partners.esp

CuteElf11.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

Salutrian Elves.esp

Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp

X.Moon.Elf.esp

X.Races.Comp.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC.esp

CM Partners More NPCs.esp

CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp

CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp

cmAbbeyAeryn.esp

cmSashaSonja.esp

1em_Vilja.esp

LakesideHome.esp

LakesideHomeCOBLaddon.esp

ViljainLakeside.esp

ViljainRedRoseManor.esp

companion_deepelves.esp

Cobl Races.esp

SkinMannequinCOBL-nosleep.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp

Better Cities - COBL.esp

Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

MiniMap.esp

Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp

TheOneRing.esp

shadow lord_powerful.esp

Tera Armors.esp

Dark Knight of Atraphoenix.esp

DBAssassin.esp

RagnaroksArmory.esp

SimpleHUDIcons.esp

Better Walking.esp

BenirusManor.esp

cm_Housecats.esp

Adventurers Guides.esp

Skyrim - Nord Hero Weapons.esp

TheSnakesLair.esp

HouseTeleport.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[LeftyScaevola]

RST adds a camp and some quest NPCs in the location you describe. I did not have a crash there.

Might be a conflict.

If you crash upon entering a cell it could be one of Oblivion's save corruptions, maybe a spawn point form this mod.

The cure for a corrupted mod spawn point is a save game is little more complicated that just a clean reinstall of the mod (but fortunately is possible, unlike a corrupted vanilla spawn point, where the only solutions are to go to a save before the corruption occurred or start a new game).

After disabling the mod, you have to be in the cell when it resets/respawns to clear the corruption. In outdoor cells the typically occurs at midnight every 3rd day. So after disabling the triggering .esp, you go to the cell just before midnight each day and stay in the cell until it resets (either do that 3 days in a row, or do it one day at a time and then test reloading the mod). Make sure that you are NOT sleeping or waiting at each midnight. After that you can then reload the mod .esp

Another possibility could be some corruption in the AI of one of the mod's NPCs spawning there, in which case a clean reinstall should work.

[DeTazDvl]

RST adds a camp and some quest NPCs in the location you describe. I did not have a crash there.

Might be a conflict.

If you crash upon entering a cell it could be one of Oblivion's save corruptions, maybe a spawn point form this mod.

The cure for a corrupted mod spawn point is a save game is little more complicated that just a clean reinstall of the mod (but fortunately is possible, unlike a corrupted vanilla spawn point, where the only solutions are to go to a save before the corruption occurred or start a new game).

After disabling the mod, you have to be in the cell when it resets/respawns to clear the corruption. In outdoor cells the typically occurs at midnight every 3rd day. So after disabling the triggering .esp, you go to the cell just before midnight each day and stay in the cell until it resets (either do that 3 days in a row, or do it one day at a time and then test reloading the mod). Make sure that you are NOT sleeping or waiting at each midnight. After that you can then reload the mod .esp

Another possibility could be some corruption in the AI of one of the mod's NPCs spawning there, in which case a clean reinstall should work.

It has to be a conflict of some kind. I tried what you said and waited several days in the area without a save (made sure I was running around the aread at 12 Midnight each day) and that didn't correct the problem. So I took the big step and uninstalled everything to do with TES4: Oblivion and then did a reboot. Ran CC Cleaner rebooted again and then reinstalled Oblivion with all my mods. After all of that, I'm right back to the same thing. Sadly I'm giving up for now, I'll wait for the next release and try it again. The only thing I didn't do was modify my ini per the readme.

[LeftyScaevola]

Sounds more like a conflict then. I have no skill for deciphering those. of your mods the ones I do not use are:

SoVvM.esm

TamRes.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

BathingMod_Base.esm

Better Cities .esp

TamRes.esp

LoadingScreens.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

AliveWaters.esp

AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp

Reaper's Adjustable Oil Lamp.esp

ToggleShaders.esp

Living Economy.esp

Living Economy - Items.esp

Cutthroat Merchants.esp

Quest Log Manager.esp

VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp

Map Marker Overhaul.esp

Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp

BeyondCyrodiilMarkers.esp

Binoculars.esp

Dreadweave Complete_Heavy.esp

Eternal Dragon Armor Heavy.esp

Dual God Rings.esp

Tyrael Armor.esp

FB_DC_Mega_Pack_OMOD_BC1_H.esp

Kylin.esp

Slof's Horses Base.esp

Slof's Extra Horses.esp

CallMount.esp

CallMountStableMaster.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp

OOO-WaterFish.esp

(DC) Kvatch Watch Towers.esp

BrotherhoodRenewed.esp

ceme.esp

(DC) Sutch Reborn.esp

EM_RedRoseManor.esp

EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

bladesfactionmod.esp

Northern Front.esp

Scribe Supplies.esp

(DC) The Pride of Wolfs Gate.esp

TinyHouse.esp

COBLaddonTinyHouse.esp

VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

GuardsofCyrodiilRedux.esp

Weye.esp

Valenwood.esp

Summerset.esp

SummersetLandscapes.esp

ElsweyrAnequina.esp

Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp

Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp

HTBAranmathi - noCOBL.esp

road+bridges.esp

Northern Front - road+bridges - compatibility .esp

OOO-Sutch patch.esp

Fort Akatosh Redux.esp

FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp

Legion Ranger Addon.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

Bag of Holding.esp

Better Dungeons.esp

Enchanted Portable Tent.esp

HUD Status Bars.esp

RingOfWings_Wingless.esp

Teleport Everywhere.esp

Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp

TweakAthleticsNoSpeed.esp

BathingMod_Soap.esp

BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp

BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp

Basic Primary Needs.esp

CuteElf11.esp

Salutrian Elves.esp

Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp

X.Moon.Elf.esp

X.Races.Comp.esp

cmAbbeyAeryn.esp

cmSashaSonja.esp

1em_Vilja.esp

LakesideHome.esp

LakesideHomeCOBLaddon.esp

ViljainLakeside.esp

ViljainRedRoseManor.esp

companion_deepelves.esp

SkinMannequinCOBL-nosleep.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp

Better Cities - COBL.esp

Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

MiniMap.esp

Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp

TheOneRing.esp

shadow lord_powerful.esp

Tera Armors.esp

Dark Knight of Atraphoenix.esp

DBAssassin.esp

RagnaroksArmory.esp

SimpleHUDIcons.esp

Better Walking.esp

BenirusManor.esp

cm_Housecats.esp

Adventurers Guides.esp

Skyrim - Nord Hero Weapons.esp

TheSnakesLair.esp

HouseTeleport.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

That is still a long list of possible conflicts. Hopefully some who knows more than I (just about everyone here, that is) will have a look at this.

Edited February 16, 2012 by LeftyScaevola

[DeTazDvl]

Sounds more like a conflict then. I have no skill for deciphering those. of your mods the ones I do not use are:

That is still a long list of possible conflicts. Hopefully some who knows more than I (just about everyone here, that is) will have a look at this.

At this point I have turned off everything except for Oblivion.esm, Reclaiming Sancre Tor.esp, and turned on Alternate Start.esp. Restarted a new game and went to the area in question and still got a CTD! I'm truly baffled at this point. I'm hoping an Admin looks at this and drops me a line.

So I figured out the problem. I was using the v2.2 of TES4LODGen vice the newest experimental version v3.0.15, since I've had some issues with that particular version. I disabled everything except what I indicated above and it worked after running v3.0.15. I then gradually re-enabled everything else and it all worked after I ran v3.0.15 again. I did have to leave out the Valenwood and Elyswyer mods after i discovered these were the ones v3.0.15 didn't like.

Edited February 17, 2012 by DeTazDvl

[LeftyScaevola]

That is rather baffling. New game means that it is not a corruption in the save games, and no other plugins being active should eliminate mod conflicts.

Maybe its some sort of corruption in a data file (texture, mesh, sound). Have you tried a fresh download of RST?

I am suspecting Dark Rider has invested the bulk of his recent gaming quota to Skyrim. I believe he was on the beta testing of the Creation Set.

Edited February 17, 2012 by LeftyScaevola

[DeTazDvl]

That is rather baffling. New game means that it is not a corruption in the save games, and no other plugins being active should eliminate mod conflicts.

Maybe its some sort of corruption in a data file (texture, mesh, sound). Have you tried a fresh download of RST?

I am suspecting Dark Rider has invested the bulk of his recent gaming quota to Skyrim. I believe he was on the beta testing of the Creation Set.

I downloaded the full pack from this website and the multi part from Nexus. I've tried both. It's working now, so I'm not sweating it anymore. If Dark Rider happens to see this post, he can look and makre sure there isn't an issue. If not, no harm no foul.

[LeftyScaevola]

For their diagnosis, when someone knowledgeble about the mod takes this up, post what quest/stage you were at in the RST main quest. This location, Tower badit Camp, in cell 15.10 is use for The Water Warrior Quest;

aaRCMQ03a

with the boss being spawned by stage 5

maybe approaching it earlier than that has something to do with the crash.

Edited February 18, 2012 by LeftyScaevola