Please help, no idea what's caused this

dollarcraig93 · May 22, 2013

Without adding any mods, making any changes to my computer, changing my load order, or anything, i suddenly crash in a cell, and then can't load any of my saves, all of which were in other cells. It gets to the loading screen when i tell it to load, and then it quits. Does anyone have experience with this issue? I just got through the main questline with my character, and i'd rather quit playing altogether than start another character. I've had to start over several times, but the previous times were because of mod issues, and now i'm so sick of it that if i can't find a solution, i'll just quit playing.

Khettienna · May 22, 2013

Copy and paste your load order with spoiler tags so we can see what you've got!

WillieSea · May 22, 2013

Sometimes, poorly made mods can mess up your game, even if they are disabled. Mostly due to bad scripts since they are NOT part of the mod. You might try having steam restore your game files.

There is a mod that can help level you up quickly, in order to restore your level so you don't have to start at level 1. Its called Levelers Cheat and has a lot of useful and fun things to do.

Edited May 23, 2013 by WillieSea

dollarcraig93 · May 23, 2013

Warning, there are a lot of mods here. They do work together the way I want them too, but i know there are things that are probably messy or downright incorrect. Like i said though, the load order worked fine. I played with all these mods in this order for several days before it decided to crash.

Active Mod Files:

00 Oblivion.esm

01 Morrowind_ob.esm

02 TR_OoT_Main.esm

03 Silgrad_Tower.esm [Version 3.39]

04 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]

05 Windfall.esm

06 Inventory Tracker.esm

07 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.8b1]

09 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm

0A Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]

0B Artifacts.esm

0C Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

0D Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.2.5]

0E CURP_Controller.esm

0F No Lights Flicker.esm

10 DA Run Fatigue.esm

11 Toaster Says Share v3.esm

++ HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp

** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]

** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]

12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

++ Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

14 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]

15 USIPS Additional Changes.esp

16 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]

++ LoadingScreens.esp

** LoadingScreensSI.esp

17 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

++ Better Water-1830.esp

18 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

19 1vampirescocktail.esp

1A AddActorValues_example.esp

1B DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp

1C FormID Finder4.esp

1D marksman_challenge.esp

1E Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp [Version 1.0.0]

1F VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp

20 Streamline 3.0.esp

21 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1]

22 Landmarks, w Wells.esp [Version 1.11]

23 Clock Hotkey.esp

24 sr_super_hotkeys.esp [Version 0.54]

25 DLCHorseArmor.esp

26 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]

27 DLCOrrery.esp

28 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

29 NLF Orrery.esp

2A DLCVileLair.esp

2B DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]

2C NLF VileLair.esp

2D DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

2E DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]

2F NLF MehrunesRazor.esp

30 DLCSpellTomes.esp

++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]

++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

31 ANBDayWalkerAmulet.esp

32 Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp

33 DMACArmor.esp

34 DMRangerArmor.esp

35 Fantasy Mod.esp

36 JG Elven.esp

37 mnp Nighteye Goggles.esp

38 NexonsArmoryENG.esp

39 RealitySpectresThiefGarb.esp

3A Sin's Expanded Light Armor Kit [NPC].esp

3B Unlimited Wear.esp

3C Vvardenfell_Imports.esp

3D Mage Equipment.esp

3E DLCThievesDen.esp

3F DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]

40 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.11]

41 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

42 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]

++ ArmamentariumLL.esp [Version 1.35]

++ ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp [Version 1.35]

43 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]

++ ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp [Version 1.35]

44 Mart's Monster Mod.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.8b1]

45 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp [Version 3.8b1]

46 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b7]

47 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b7]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.8b1]

48 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b7]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.8b1]

49 Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Vanilla.esp [Version 3.8b1]

4A Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.8b1]

4B Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.8b1]

4C Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.8b1]

4D Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.8b1]

4E Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.8b1]

4F Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp [Version 3.8b1]

50 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp [Version 3.8b1]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

51 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]

52 Morroblivion COBL.esp

53 MorrowOblivion_World Transport.esp

54 Morrowind_ob - MorroblivionWater.esp

55 Morrowind_ob - Conversation.esp

56 ProtocolledDialogs.esp

57 MorroblivionLoadingScreens.esp [Version 0.3]

58 Ash&BlightStorms.esp

59 Astralis.esp

5A allinonebasement_COBLnoCM.esp

5B Artifacts.esp

++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]

5C BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.1.2]

5D GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp

5E GuilesHuntsmenLodge.esp

5F Hammerfell.esp

60 Klarre Forestheart.esp

61 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

62 Nascosto Isles 3.esp

63 Romuska Fantasy Store.esp

64 Scribe Supplies.esp

65 Silgrad_Tower.esp [Version 3.39]

66 Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp

67 The Kingdom of Shadow test1.esp [Version 1.5]

68 Tamriel.esp

69 Black Marsh.esp

6A TR_Stirk.esp

6B Windfall.esp

6C DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

6D DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]

6E DLCFrostcrag.esp

6F DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]

70 NLF FrostCrag.esp

71 BrumaMGRestored.esp

72 BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp

73 Knights.esp

74 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]

75 NLF Knights.esp

++ QuietFeet.esp

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.8b1]

76 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]

77 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]

78 TOTF.esp

79 RTT.esp

7A RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]

7B The Lost Spires.esp

++ Morroblivion Conversation - The Lost Spires Patch.esp

7C Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 6]

7D AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.32.COBL]

7E MannimarcoRevisited.esp

7F MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp

80 DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp [Version 1.1]

81 ElsweyrAnequina.esp

82 Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp

83 Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp

84 Walkabout.esp

85 AK- Morroblivion in Tamriel.esp

86 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]

87 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

++ KoldornsImprovedLava2.esp

++ Jhaerik's Dungeon Fog Remover.esp

++ Jhaerik's Dungeon Fog Remover Lite.esp

88 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

++ Short Grass V3.esp

89 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]

8A Quest Award Leveling.esp

8B Quest Award Leveling SI.esp

8C Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp

++ DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp

8D DA Sprint.esp

8E SplitVampireSight.esp

8F Vampire Aging Disabled 2 XYoung.esp

90 Disenchant.esp

91 PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp

92 SetEssentialActors.esp

93 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b]

94 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90]

95 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_NoSpellLights.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.90]

++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.90]

96 MidasSpells.esp

97 Friendlier Summons.esp

98 SSEE.esp

99 SigilStoneSelector-SSEE.esp

++ dyseso_Light_Ingred.esp

++ dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp

9A EnchantmentRestore.esp

++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

9B Multiple Enchantments.esp

9C Real Time Lockpicking Minigames.esp

9D RenGuardOverhaul.esp

9E Combat Behavior 2.11b.esp

9F Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp

A0 Better Hand to Hand LITE.esp

A1 Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp

A2 Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp

A3 Kobu's Health Modifier Mod.esp

A4 Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp [Version 1.0.1]

A5 UnlimitedTraining.esp

A6 DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp

A7 Stylish Jump.esp

A8 Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp

++ not_recruit_companions.esp

A9 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]

++ 1em_Vilja_RenHair17.esp

++ khajiittextfix.esp

++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]

AA Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.2.5]

AB Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.2.4]

AC Better cities - Dark Brotherhood Chronicles.esp [Version 5.1.0]

AD Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp [Version 5.0.0]

AE Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp [Version 5.0.8]

++ Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.2.1]

AF Better Imperial City - OMG.esp [Version 4.7.0]

B0 Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp [Version 5.0.0]

++ Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.2]

B1 Better Cities - Vvardenfell Imports.esp [Version 4.7.0]

** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp

** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp

** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp

B2 BNewShockBoltEffects20.esp [Version 1.2]

B3 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]

B4 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

B5 RshAlchemy.esp

B6 RshAlchemyRecipes.esp

B7 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]

B8 Unholy Darkness.esp

B9 Morroblivion - Lost Magic OBME.esp [Version 0.5]

BA MorrowOblivion_Integration_SM.esp

BB Morrowind_ob - Silt Striders.esp

BC SimpleHouse.esp

BD CarahsCaravanRedux.esp [Version 1.2]

BE Jpm's Vampire Hunters.esp

BF Sheepherder's Vampirism - Vanilla Oblivion Style.esp [Version 1.1.2]

C0 Large Battle FPS increase-7447.esp

C1 Morroblivion - Clothing Galore.esp [Version 1.2]

C2 Morrowind_ob - UCWUS.esp [Version BETA5]

C3 stfportal.esp

C4 Morroblivion - Faction Relation_0.esp

C5 lollobeutyandbanditfix.esp

C6 MorroblivionNewMap.esp

C7 Morrowind_ob - Nerevarine Armor.esp

C8 Morrowind-darkslayer umbra.esp

C9 alit attack you.esp

CA NewClannFear.esp

CB cavernofincarnatecutscene.esp

CC Your Wilderness Home.esp

CD Ranger Cabin.esp

CE New Frost Damage cloud3 NES.esp

CF -No- persistant enchantment glow fix-1843.esp

D0 HaldursSkeletonKey.esp

D1 Better Bows.esp

D2 better arrow's.esp

D3 Geno's_Life_Detect_v1.0.esp

D4 More Arrows Recovered-2169.esp

D5 Ice Morrigan Equipment.esp

D6 Rogue Battlemage Armor.esp

D7 craig's altered skill speed mod.esp

D8 Newwater 1.2.esp

D9 Better Frostcrag Spire Lighting-6682.esp

donnato · May 23, 2013

First I`d suggest saving the .ini from your Documents>My Games to a safe place adding bu to the extension to disable it and click ok to the popup. then delete the original and let the game generate a new one. sometimes it works and is the easiest, first try at a fix.

Willie...I believe this is for Oblivion...might want to link to your Shack..?

EDIT: Ok...I`m sorry...I thought you said that this happened without any mods active.

Edited May 23, 2013 by donnato

dollarcraig93 · May 23, 2013

Alright a couple of quick edits. I tried the ini file trick, and i'm afraid it didn't do it for me. Also, it will let me start new characters, but thats the last thing i want to do. I think it may be some sort of referenced item or scipt that Oblivion suddednly decided not to like.

Khettienna · May 23, 2013

Usually this happens when the game crashes or ends unexpectedly (e.g. power surge) just before a save, thereby corrupting the save, and all further saves made afterwards from that save. It can also happen due to wonky scripts. There is probably nothing you can do to recover the saves that aren't loading, so just try going backwards one save at a time until you find one that loads.

I will say that it looks like your load order could use a little TLC. Like, you don't need Better Water -and- Natural Water, I'm pretty sure? One will just overwrite the other at run time. Also, you don't need No Light Flicker because you can just set your bashed patch to eliminate light flickers. And I'm not sure why your bashed patch is so very far away from the end of your load order, but in any case, run BOSS to make sure things are where they should be. Pay special attention to any warnings BOSS gives you, as it might further indicate any redundant or deprecated mods for you.

syscrusher · May 23, 2013

You might want to try this:

http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/22282/?

This is an OBSE plugin that does not *fix* the underlying problem, but rather traps known crash faults and works around them long enough to let you recover gracefully and/or create a new save.

The modder discontinued work on it in 2009, but I am running it successfully in a complex environment with a very recent version of OBSE, and it has saved me a lot of grief.

You can tell when it activates because it emits a (soft) alert tone every time it intercepts a crash.

Again, this will not fix your underlying problem, but it may let you gracefully recover your saved games.

dollarcraig93 · May 24, 2013

My Bashed patch is in the awkward place its in because some of the mods don't properly take effect, even after boss sorting, if they are included in the bashed patch, so my workaround was to make sure that it overwrote whatever was going on in the bashed patch. Looking at it now, i see what you mean though, i could probably use some resorting. I already use Wisdom Earle's, this appears to be something that it can't help.

~~Is there any chance that the secure streamsave option i'm using is causing something to go bad? Has a new version of Streamline come out recently? If i recall, i'm using 3.1~~

I've already started a new character, am several hours in, and experiencing this issue again. I still can't put my finger on what has gone wrong. I'd really like recommendations on what mods are unnecessary, i'm gonna trim down and resort to see what might help.

EDIT: ok, i feel stupid, checked SL on the nexus, work stopped on it in 09. Was the open beta 4 version of SL known to be unstable or anything? I feel like i read somewhere that someone said it got kinda messy after a certain period of time. Tbh, i feel like it was the savior of my fps, but if it causes the loadgame crashes, i'll use an earlier version.

Edited May 24, 2013 by dollarcraig93

donnato · May 24, 2013

Ok...depending on how many hours you have in game...A-Bomb may have set in...google it. Usually sets in around 200 hours and make things wonky.

dollarcraig93 · May 24, 2013

I use wrye bash to make sure A-Bomb never gets very high.

So far, went back in and resorted + Tes4edit cleaned many mods. Will see if this solves anything.

syscrusher · May 24, 2013

Ok...depending on how many hours you have in game...A-Bomb may have set in...google it. Usually sets in around 200 hours and make things wonky.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the A-Bomb only affected a long-running character, not the game itself. The OP said they replicated the problem with a new character.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong about this.

donnato · May 25, 2013

I don`t know Sysc ...but it set in on me with my orig. char. when first playing ... Didn`t know it had to do with the character.

dollarcraig93 · May 25, 2013

New load order, boss doesn't identify the last few (some are mine, a couple are morroblivion things, other armor/house/one location mod.) Any tips on merging some of those succesfully? Bash marks mergeable mods, but if boss doesn't identify, i'm a little lost as to how to merge

Don't know if this will solve the issue or not. Note, i also decided to test the newer open beta/ 3.1 Version of SL that i wasn't using before.

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Morrowind_ob.esm
02  TR_OoT_Main.esm
03  Silgrad_Tower.esm  [Version 3.39]
04  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]
05  Windfall.esm
06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.8b1]
08  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]
0A  Artifacts.esm
0B  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.2.5]
0D  CURP_Controller.esm
0E  DA Run Fatigue.esm
0F  Toaster Says Share v3.esm
++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]
**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]
10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
13  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
14  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]
++  LoadingScreens.esp
**  LoadingScreensSI.esp
15  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
16  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
17  1vampirescocktail.esp
18  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
19  FormID Finder4.esp
1A  marksman_challenge.esp
1B  Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
1C  VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp
1D  Streamline 3.1.esp
1E  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
1F  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]
20  Clock Hotkey.esp
21  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]
22  DLCHorseArmor.esp
23  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
24  DLCOrrery.esp
25  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
26  DLCVileLair.esp
27  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
28  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
29  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
2A  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
2B  ANBDayWalkerAmulet.esp
2C  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp
2D  DMACArmor.esp
2E  DMRangerArmor.esp
2F  Fantasy Mod.esp
30  JG Elven.esp
31  mnp Nighteye Goggles.esp
32  NexonsArmoryENG.esp
33  RealitySpectresThiefGarb.esp
34  Sin's Expanded Light Armor Kit [NPC].esp
35  Unlimited Wear.esp
36  Vvardenfell_Imports.esp
37  Mage Equipment.esp
38  DLCThievesDen.esp
39  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
3A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
3B  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
3C  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]
3D  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]
3E  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
40  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b7]
41  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b7]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
42  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b7]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
43  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Vanilla.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
44  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
45  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
46  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
47  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
48  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
49  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]
4B  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]
4C  Morroblivion COBL.esp
4D  MorrowOblivion_World Transport.esp
4E  Morrowind_ob - MorroblivionWater.esp
4F  Morrowind_ob - Conversation.esp
50  ProtocolledDialogs.esp
51  MorroblivionLoadingScreens.esp  [Version 0.3]
52  Ash&BlightStorms.esp
53  Astralis.esp
54  allinonebasement_COBLnoCM.esp
55  Artifacts.esp
++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]
56  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
57  GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp
58  GuilesHuntsmenLodge.esp
59  Tamriel.esp
5A  Hammerfell.esp
5B  Klarre Forestheart.esp
5C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
5D  Nascosto Isles 3.esp
5E  Romuska Fantasy Store.esp
5F  Scribe Supplies.esp
60  Silgrad_Tower.esp  [Version 3.39]
61  Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp
62  The Kingdom of Shadow test1.esp  [Version 1.5]
63  Black Marsh.esp
64  TR_Stirk.esp
65  Windfall.esp
66  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
67  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
68  DLCFrostcrag.esp
69  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
6A  BrumaMGRestored.esp
6B  BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp
6C  Knights.esp
6D  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
++  QuietFeet.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
6E  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]
6F  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]
70  TOTF.esp
71  RTT.esp
72  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
73  The Lost Spires.esp
++  Morroblivion Conversation - The Lost Spires Patch.esp
74  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 6]
75  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.32.COBL]
76  MannimarcoRevisited.esp
77  MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp
78  DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp  [Version 1.1]
79  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
7A  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp
7B  Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp
7C  Walkabout.esp
7D  AK- Morroblivion in Tamriel.esp
7E  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
7F  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
++  KoldornsImprovedLava2.esp
++  Jhaerik's Dungeon Fog Remover.esp
80  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
++  Short Grass V3.esp
81  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
82  Quest Award Leveling.esp
83  Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
84  Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp
++  DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
85  DA Sprint.esp
86  SplitVampireSight.esp
87  Vampire Aging Disabled 2 XYoung.esp
88  Unholy Darkness.esp
89  Disenchant.esp
8A  PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp
8B  SetEssentialActors.esp
8C  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]
8D  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]
8E  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]
8F  MidasSpells.esp
90  Friendlier Summons.esp
91  SSEE.esp
92  SigilStoneSelector-SSEE.esp
++  dyseso_Light_Ingred.esp
++  dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp
93  RshAlchemy.esp
94  RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
95  EnchantmentRestore.esp
++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
96  Multiple Enchantments.esp
97  Real Time Lockpicking Minigames.esp
98  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
99  Combat Behavior 2.11b.esp
9A  Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp
9B  Better Hand to Hand LITE.esp
9C  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
9D  Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp
9E  Kobu's Health Modifier Mod.esp
9F  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
A0  UnlimitedTraining.esp
A1  DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp
A2  Stylish Jump.esp
A3  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
++  not_recruit_companions.esp
A4  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]
++  1em_Vilja_RenHair17.esp
A5  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
++  khajiittextfix.esp
++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]
A6  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.2.5]
A7  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.2.4]
A8  Better cities - Dark Brotherhood Chronicles.esp  [Version 5.1.0]
A9  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 5.0.0]
AA  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 5.0.8]
++  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.2.1]
AB  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
AC  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 5.0.0]
++  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.2]
AD  Better Cities - Vvardenfell Imports.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp
AE  BNewShockBoltEffects20.esp  [Version 1.2]
AF  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
B0  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
B1  Newwater 1.2.esp
B2  HaldursSkeletonKey.esp
B3  Large Battle FPS increase-7447.esp
B4  Morroblivion - Lost Magic OBME.esp  [Version 0.5]
B5  MorrowOblivion_Integration_SM.esp
B6  Morrowind_ob - Silt Striders.esp
B7  Morroblivion - Clothing Galore.esp  [Version 1.2]
B8  Morrowind_ob - UCWUS.esp  [Version BETA5]
B9  stfportal.esp
BA  Morroblivion - Faction Relation_0.esp
BB  lollobeutyandbanditfix.esp
BC  MorroblivionNewMap.esp
BD  Morrowind_ob - Nerevarine Armor.esp
BE  Morrowind-darkslayer umbra.esp
BF  alit attack you.esp
C0  NewClannFear.esp
C1  cavernofincarnatecutscene.esp
C2  SimpleHouse.esp
C3  Your Wilderness Home.esp
C4  Ranger Cabin.esp
C5  CarahsCaravanRedux.esp  [Version 1.2]
C6  Jpm's Vampire Hunters.esp
C7  Sheepherder's Vampirism - Vanilla Oblivion Style.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
C8  New Frost Damage cloud3 NES.esp
C9  Geno's_Life_Detect_v1.0.esp
CA  -No- persistant enchantment glow fix-1843.esp
CB  Better Bows.esp
CC  better arrow's.esp
CD  More Arrows Recovered-2169.esp
CE  Ice Morrigan Equipment.esp
CF  Rogue Battlemage Armor.esp
D0  craig's altered skill speed mod.esp

Khettienna · May 25, 2013

From the BOSS interface, click the "Edit User Rules" button. This will bring up a new interface. Drag an unrecognized plugin (which will probably be at/near the bottom of the list on the right) into the box labeled "For" on the left. Then check the "Sort Item" box. Then you have two options as to how the mod gets sorted. 1) Choose "Sort", where you can drag or type another .esp or .esm name, and choose before or after. This will allow you to define when a mod should load relative to another mod, for example making a patch or addon load after its master, or making a mod load before or after another known conflicting mod with specific load order instructions. 2) Alternately, if the documentation doesn't specify the mod should load any particular way, you can have it sorted by category by choosing the "Insert at the" radio button. Then click on the Masterlist tab, and you will see a list of mod categories. Choose the one most applicable to how the mod works/what kind of records are in the mod. Once you are done with either method of sorting, click the "Create New Rule" button. BOSS will now sort this mod by whatever instructions you just gave it. Rinse/repeat for each unrecognized mod. When you are all done making or editing user rules, click "Save & Exit", and re-run BOSS. Then you should be all set.

Edit:

& because it's not necessarily obvious, put houses (like Carah's) under Quests & Locations.

Edit 2:

& yeah, Abomb has to do with data stored in the save, so it is character-specific in that way.

dollarcraig93 · May 27, 2013

@Khettienna Thx so much for the tips on that, i'd used boss rule manager, but never exactly in that manner. ~~I can integrate the mergeable mods sorted this way into the patch right?~~ Of course it does, I just finished, although the Morroblvion section could use some more work. Thank you very much.

@The rest of the community and others that helped me: Thx so much for helping me narrow down the possible problems, my game is quickly getting much more stable and my load order much neater and concise

~~New Load Order:~~

Okay, it looks like there was a wacky mod or something in the group I had after my bashed patch. When i try to merge, i get this error from Wrye:

RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 01010BAA
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 0100F88E
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 0100F828
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 0100F829
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 00000000
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 84010BAA
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 8400F88E
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 8400F828
RecordProcessor: Warning - Information lost. Record skipped with duplicate formID: 8400F829
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bash\basher.pyo", line 7757, in Execute
File "bash\bosh.pyo", line 14953, in buildPatch
File "bash\bosh.pyo", line 25406, in apply
File "bash\cint.pyo", line 2070, in __get__
File "bash\cint.pyo", line 1123, in __init__
TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)

I think the ending part is the most important of course, i think the first couple dozen lines are a relic from debugging/testing CBash, they always appear. I'm not sure though. Can anyone help me interpret this?

FINAL EDIT: Okay, the wonky mod was Morroblivion - Lost Magic OBME. Left it out of the Bashed Patch Merge, and it all went smoothly.

Load Order:

Active Mod Files:

00  Oblivion.esm
01  Morrowind_ob.esm
02  TR_OoT_Main.esm
03  Silgrad_Tower.esm  [Version 3.39]
04  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]
05  Windfall.esm
06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.8b1]
08  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]
0A  Artifacts.esm
0B  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.2.5]
0D  CURP_Controller.esm
0E  DA Run Fatigue.esm
0F  Toaster Says Share v3.esm
++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp
**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]
**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]
10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
13  USIPS Additional Changes.esp
14  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]
++  LoadingScreens.esp
**  LoadingScreensSI.esp
15  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
16  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
++  Newwater 1.2.esp
17  1vampirescocktail.esp
18  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
19  FormID Finder4.esp
1A  marksman_challenge.esp
1B  Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
1C  VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp
1D  Streamline 3.1.esp
1E  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]
1F  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]
20  Clock Hotkey.esp
21  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]
22  DLCHorseArmor.esp
23  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
24  DLCOrrery.esp
25  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
26  DLCVileLair.esp
27  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
28  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
29  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
2A  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
2B  ANBDayWalkerAmulet.esp
2C  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp
2D  DMACArmor.esp
2E  DMRangerArmor.esp
2F  Fantasy Mod.esp
30  JG Elven.esp
31  mnp Nighteye Goggles.esp
32  NexonsArmoryENG.esp
33  RealitySpectresThiefGarb.esp
34  Sin's Expanded Light Armor Kit [NPC].esp
35  Unlimited Wear.esp
36  Vvardenfell_Imports.esp
37  Mage Equipment.esp
38  Ice Morrigan Equipment.esp
39  Rogue Battlemage Armor.esp
3A  DLCThievesDen.esp
3B  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
3C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.11]
3D  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
3E  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]
3F  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]
++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]
40  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
41  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
42  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b7]
43  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b7]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
44  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b7]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
45  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Vanilla.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
46  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
47  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
48  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
49  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]
4D  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]
4E  Morroblivion COBL.esp
4F  MorrowOblivion_World Transport.esp
++  MorroblivionNewMap.esp
50  Morrowind_ob - MorroblivionWater.esp
51  Morrowind_ob - Conversation.esp
52  ProtocolledDialogs.esp
53  MorroblivionLoadingScreens.esp  [Version 0.3]
54  Morroblivion - Lost Magic OBME.esp  [Version 0.5]
++  MorrowOblivion_Integration_SM.esp
55  Morrowind_ob - UCWUS.esp  [Version BETA5]
**  Morroblivion - Clothing Galore.esp  [Version 1.2]
56  Morrowind_ob - Silt Striders.esp
++  Morroblivion - Faction Relation_0.esp
57  stfportal.esp
58  Morrowind_ob - Nerevarine Armor.esp
++  Morrowind-darkslayer umbra.esp
++  alit attack you.esp
++  NewClannFear.esp
++  cavernofincarnatecutscene.esp
++  lollobeutyandbanditfix.esp
59  Ash&BlightStorms.esp
5A  Astralis.esp
5B  allinonebasement_COBLnoCM.esp
5C  Artifacts.esp
++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]
5D  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
5E  GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp
5F  GuilesHuntsmenLodge.esp
60  Tamriel.esp
61  Hammerfell.esp
62  Klarre Forestheart.esp
63  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
64  Nascosto Isles 3.esp
65  Romuska Fantasy Store.esp
66  Scribe Supplies.esp
67  Silgrad_Tower.esp  [Version 3.39]
68  Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp
69  The Kingdom of Shadow test1.esp  [Version 1.5]
6A  Black Marsh.esp
6B  TR_Stirk.esp
6C  Windfall.esp
6D  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
6E  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]
6F  DLCFrostcrag.esp
70  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
71  BrumaMGRestored.esp
72  BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp
73  Knights.esp
74  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
++  QuietFeet.esp
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.8b1]
75  CarahsCaravanRedux.esp  [Version 1.2]
76  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]
77  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]
78  TOTF.esp
79  RTT.esp
7A  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
7B  The Lost Spires.esp
++  Morroblivion Conversation - The Lost Spires Patch.esp
7C  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 6]
7D  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.32.COBL]
7E  MannimarcoRevisited.esp
7F  MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp
80  DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp  [Version 1.1]
81  ElsweyrAnequina.esp
82  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp
83  Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp
84  Walkabout.esp
85  AK- Morroblivion in Tamriel.esp
86  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
87  SimpleHouse.esp
88  Ranger Cabin.esp
89  Your Wilderness Home.esp
8A  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
++  KoldornsImprovedLava2.esp
++  Jhaerik's Dungeon Fog Remover.esp
8B  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
++  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
++  Short Grass V3.esp
8C  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
8D  Quest Award Leveling.esp
8E  Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
8F  Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp
++  DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp
90  DA Sprint.esp
91  SplitVampireSight.esp
92  Vampire Aging Disabled 2 XYoung.esp
93  Unholy Darkness.esp
94  Jpm's Vampire Hunters.esp
95  Sheepherder's Vampirism - Vanilla Oblivion Style.esp  [Version 1.1.2]
96  Disenchant.esp
97  PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.esp
98  SetEssentialActors.esp
99  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]
9A  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]
9B  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]
9C  MidasSpells.esp
9D  Friendlier Summons.esp
9E  SSEE.esp
9F  SigilStoneSelector-SSEE.esp
++  dyseso_Light_Ingred.esp
++  dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.esp
A0  RshAlchemy.esp
A1  RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
A2  EnchantmentRestore.esp
++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
A3  Multiple Enchantments.esp
A4  Real Time Lockpicking Minigames.esp
A5  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
A6  Combat Behavior 2.11b.esp
A7  Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.esp
A8  Better Hand to Hand LITE.esp
++  Better Bows.esp
++  better arrow's.esp
A9  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
AA  Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp
AB  Kobu's Health Modifier Mod.esp
AC  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
AD  UnlimitedTraining.esp
++  craig's altered skill speed mod.esp
AE  DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp
AF  Stylish Jump.esp
B0  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
++  not_recruit_companions.esp
B1  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]
++  1em_Vilja_RenHair17.esp
B2  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
++  khajiittextfix.esp
++  New Frost Damage cloud3 NES.esp
++  Geno's_Life_Detect_v1.0.esp
++  -No- persistant enchantment glow fix-1843.esp
++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]
B3  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.2.5]
B4  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.2.4]
B5  Better cities - Dark Brotherhood Chronicles.esp  [Version 5.1.0]
B6  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 5.0.0]
B7  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 5.0.8]
++  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.2.1]
B8  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
B9  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 5.0.0]
++  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.2]
BA  Better Cities - Vvardenfell Imports.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp
BB  BNewShockBoltEffects20.esp  [Version 1.2]
BC  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
BD  HaldursSkeletonKey.esp
BE  Large Battle FPS increase-7447.esp
BF  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Thanks Again for all the help everyone!

Edited May 27, 2013 by dollarcraig93

Khettienna · May 27, 2013

Quite welcome, glad to hear it's working well for you again!

AddammusSubtractius · December 24, 2013

The worst situation I ever encountered, over the course of many years playing the game, was caused by that %$& keychain mod. My save games all crashed on loading. New game crashed. Nothing that I tried worked to get the game running again. I had all but given up when googling common causes of corrupted files led me to countless posts about p1dkeychain. Following the advice given in the comments on nexus I was able to list all the keys that were trapped in the keychain, and delete the mod. The game instantly loaded, and all of the savegames worked. replacing the keys was not fun at all

with so many people using the keychain, and not reporting any problems with it, I have to assume that the problem is not in the keychain itself, but rather a conflict between it, and another mod, or limitations of the mod being exceeded by having many mods installed, but I won't be using the keychain ever again

DOWNLOAD MODS

LEARN MODDING

JOIN THE ALLIANCE

Please help, no idea what's caused this

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