Crashing when saving

[kylok]

Hello!

I searched the forum for similar threads and found none. Pardon me if I missed one though.

This seems to be a problem affecting lots of people, yet no solution has been found.

On my first heavily modded game, I starting having this problem very suddenly. Just over 200 hours, and the game started almost constantly crashing when I tried to save - like there was a 75-90% of it happening. Also, the saves would eventually start being corrupted. I remember holding my breath every time I saved. This was a while ago, and this is all from memory, so the facts may not be 100% correct.

Now, I looked around the web at that time and tried to find an answer, but found none, only more people lost in the hopeless abyss of corrupted saves... (yes, that was incredibly cheesy.) I stopped playing for a few months or so.

Now, I have a new character, with my wonderful face on it, lots of properly installed mods, beautiful graphics, beautiful companions, huge castles, and have just passed 150 hours. I turned off autosaves and quicksaves before starting this one, which I had realized were deadly, removed OCR and updated + properly configured Streamline and OSR. I thought myself safe... But no. Guess what started happening 20 minutes ago?

Like 5-10 saves ago, (a few hours) I did the Mehrunes Razor quest, which ironically has a few automated autosaves... Just as if Beth was mocking us with their corrupted autosave system. Could these few autos ruin a save so much? It just came to my mind that I also had a few autos happen through a quest mod earlier on, but paid no attention to it then.

I should also tell you that the last 5 saves (which crashed) didn't become corrupted, so they're still loadable, but the last one before coming here did.

Yup. So now, I've decided to go to what I consider the brightest community of Oblivion modding and ask for help. I looked around a bit and only found - again - more questions. Take a look if you want to:

1 - Narrowed down to Streamline, OSR, OBSE or Keychain mod

2 - Solved by going back to before the autosave

3 - Not solved

4 - Not solved

Yes, one of the guys did solve it, but in my case I don't think I can avoid the autosaves, except for if I was to avoid the Mehrunes Razor DLC altogether. Also, I don't really think Streamline, OSR or OBSE would be culprits. But what do I know.

TL;DR Summary:

- 160 hours young character

- (relatively) Stable game, 2-3 hours average playtime before CTDs

- Heavily modded, a few mods under my limit (OOO + lots of "smaller" mods)

- No autosaves except for the ones scripted in mods or DLC

- No quicksaves, replaced by Streamsave + regular saves

- Minor savegame bloat (9 null ref)

- Crashing on saving, ~90% chance of happening, started happening 5 or so saves ago, last save is corrupted and unloadable

Load order:

Active Mod Files:

00 Oblivion.esm

01 underdark.esm

02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3]

03 battlemagearmor2-0Base.esm

04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33]

06 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

07 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm

08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]

09 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

0A Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.9.5]

0B CM Partners.esm

0C Toaster Says Share v3.esm

0D HorseCombatMaster.esm

0E TRoN.esp

** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]

** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]

0F Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5]

10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

11 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.2]

** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp

** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp

** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp

12 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]

** LoadingScreens.esp

13 All Natural.esp [Version 1.3]

14 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3]

15 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]

16 Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]

17 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp

18 Idle Dialogue.esp

++ Symphony of Violence.esp

19 AmbientTownSounds.esp

1A MIS.esp

1B MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

1C Atmospheric Oblivion.esp

++ Diverse Voices.esp [Version 0.1a]

1D Storms & Sound.esp

1E All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]

1F WindowLightingSystem.esp

20 Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]

21 Oblivion Cats v0.2b.esp

22 Personality Idles - Modified version.esp [Version 1.5]

23 Portable Campsite.esp

24 Camping.esp

25 Crowded Roads.esp [Version 2.0]

** Crowded Roads Vwalk.esp

26 PTRoamingNPCs.esp

27 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]

28 FormID Finder4.esp

29 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]

2A Streamline 3.0.esp

2B Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.7.1]

2C Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]

2D DLCOrrery.esp

2E DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]

2F DLCVileLair.esp

30 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]

31 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

32 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

33 Insanity's Scarves.esp

34 UFF & RM Morrigan Armor.esp

35 Mage Equipment.esp

36 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1]

37 Luddes armors n clothes.esp

38 Luddes armors n clothes2.esp

39 DLCThievesDen.esp

3A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

3B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]

3C ExnemRuneskulls.esp

3D Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

3E Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]

3F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]

++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]

++ OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp [Version 1.33]

** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp

40 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]

41 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]

** TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp

42 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]

++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp [Version 1.39c]

43 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]

44 AdenseEpicDungeon.esp

45 CastleEltz.esp

46 Comp_Cecilia.esp

47 CompleteMagePack.esp

48 Underdark Unique Robes.esp

49 Guardians of the Nine - Akatosh Chantry.esp

4A Kragenir's Death Quest.esp

** Kragenir's Death Quest Vwalk.esp

4B KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp

4C Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp

** Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp

4D EiAmod.esp [Version 1.1]

++ EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp

4E KumikoManor.esp

4F LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]

50 LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp

++ LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp

51 Mage'sSkyHouse.esp

52 MSHaddon-cobl.esp

53 MSHaddon-SI.esp

54 MSHaddon-Akatosh Mount Pad.esp

55 Malevolent.esp

56 Nascosto Isles 3.esp

57 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp

58 SunderedKeep.esp

59 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]

5A TheElderCouncil.esp

5B TheForgottenShields.esp

5C Valley_View_Estate.esp

5D VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

5E Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp

5F VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.4]

++ VHBloodlines 1.2 Vwalk.esp

60 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

61 Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp

62 VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp

63 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

64 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

65 DLCFrostcrag.esp

66 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]

67 Knights.esp

68 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1]

** Knights Vwalk UOP.esp

69 TOTF.esp

** TOTF Vwalk.esp

6A The Lost Spires.esp

6B Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

6C HoarfrostCastle.esp

6D AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.1.COBL]

6E Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.0]

6F MannimarcoComplete.esp

70 Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp

71 BrewHouse.esp [Version 1.5.2]

++ Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

72 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.8]

++ NRB4+Vineyard Patch.esp

73 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.2]

** HeartOftheDead Vwalk.esp

74 Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.9]

75 ShezriesTownsMaster.esp

** ShezriesTownsMaster Vwalk.esp

76 LostSpires+PellsGate Patch.esp [Version 1.0]

77 Vergayun.esp [Version 1.0.7]

78 Wellspring Vale.esp

79 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]

++ LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

7A xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]

7B xulTheHeath.esp

7C XulEntiusGorge.esp

7D xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]

++ LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]

7E xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]

7F xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]

80 mythsandlegends.esp

81 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]

82 Castle_Almgard-V2.esp

83 KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp

84 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]

85 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]

86 HoarfrostCastle-LushWoodlands patch.esp

87 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]

88 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]

89 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]

++ KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp

8A Ravenview-Cloudtop-Patch.esp [Version 2.0]

8B xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]

8C xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]

8D HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp

8E LostSwordoftheAyleids-ArriusCreek patch.esp

8F xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]

90 KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp

91 xulPantherRiver.esp

92 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]

93 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]

94 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.5]

95 RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.3]

96 Adense UL Imp Isle AFK RR Rumare Patch.esp

97 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]

98 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]

99 TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

9A KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

9B xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]

++ Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp [Version 2.0]

9C xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]

9D xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0]

9E Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp [Version 1.0]

++ OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp

++ NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0.1]

9F EtInArkay-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp

A0 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp

A1 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp

A2 West Roads.esp

A3 WellspringVale+WestRoads Patch.esp

A4 Frostcrag Village.esp [Version 1.0.1]

A5 Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp

A6 MillstoneCOBL_UL_Patch.esp

++ NRB4+RR Patch.esp [Version 2.1]

A7 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]

++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

A8 Bullet Time Custom.esp

A9 EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

AA Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp

AB ImmersiveHealthIndication.esp

++ more books teach.esp

++ moremerchantmoneyv1.1.esp

AC P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

++ Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp

AD Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp

AE Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp

AF Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp

B0 Ayelid Wells.esp

B1 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]

++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]

B2 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

B3 Basic Primary Needs.esp

++ RealisticForceMedium.esp

B4 StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp

++ StarX VVR_OOO Patch.esp

++ Starx-OVB Patch.esp

B5 Mark3.esp [Version 1.0]

B6 SetEssentialActors.esp

B7 DimensionalPocket.esp [Version 3.01]

B8 Advanced Magecraft.esp

B9 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]

BA SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]

++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]

++ SM_COBL.esp

++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]

++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]

BB MidasSpells.esp

++ Midas Reduced Costs Quarter.esp

++ Midas PowDur1.5x.esp

BC EnchantmentRestore.esp

BD Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

BE Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

BF Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp [Version 2.0]

C0 RealisticLeveling.esp

++ DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp

C1 SP1stPLegs.esp

** Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76]

++ CM Partners.esp

C2 CuteElf11.esp [Version 1.3.5]

C3 CuteElf11 Blue Portal Bug-Fix Patch.esp

C4 DKImperials.esp

C5 CompanionFergus.esp [Version 2.0]

C6 Companion Postal Service.esp

C7 CreeperJones.esp

C8 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 3.1]

C9 Arren.esp

CA Rhianna.esp

** Rhianna Vwalk.esp

CB Sonia.esp

CC Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]

++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

CD bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]

CE bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]

++ Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]

CF Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.9.5]

D0 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.9.5]

++ Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.9.5]

++ Better Cities - All Natural.esp [Version 4.9.5]

** Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp

++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.9.5]

D1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.8.4]

D2 Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp [Version 4.7.0]

D3 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1]

++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.9.1]

D4 Better Cities - Valley View Estate.esp [Version 4.7.0]

** Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp

++ Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.9.1]

D5 Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp [Version 4.9.5]

D6 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]

++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]

++ Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp [Version 4.9.0]

D7 lumi_enchantments_subtle.esp

D8 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

D9 UnderdarkSaga.esp

++ NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp

++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]

DA Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]

** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]

DB kylok.esp

DC NotTooUglyCompanions.esp

DD CastleLegacy.esp

DE fg109PortablePortals.esp

DF Bashed Patch, 0.esp

(The "luddes armors n clothes" are my merged armor and clothes mods.)

I could upload the last 3 saves, included the corrupted one, if it would help.

Thanks in advance

[Hanaisse]

I've never experienced crash on saves before but tossing out some suggestions you could try;

Update your OBGE, v3 is now out and more stable.

Clean all your mods.

Try removing the Keychain mod, I recall reading issues with it before.

[Brozly]

I've had that on at Least 3 diferant 300+ hour games, Never did get any kind of reason or answer, But I Had been using Keycgain in all of them, I would not had givin it a thought if Hanna wouldn't have mentioned it. (Removed it last ~November, haven't had the problem since) I tried one game loading back, ~200hrs and Still crashed when saveing, I could play 2-3 hrs.