Reclaiming Sancre Tor: Support, Thread II

[SheosMan117]

Hello, I'm having a problem. Anytime I get near the Drunken Dragon Inn, the game crashes. Whether I fast travel, or walk, it crashes.

[Hanaisse]

Hello, I'm having a problem. Anytime I get near the Drunken Dragon Inn, the game crashes. Whether I fast travel, or walk, it crashes.

That could be any number of mod conflicts. I had this issue when I had Lost Spires in my load order. Have you tried deactivating RST and going there?

[SheosMan117]

I just tried it without RST, it still crashes.

[Hanaisse]

Then as I said, it's another mod conflict you'll need to get sorted.

[LeftyScaevola]

That could be any number of mod conflicts. I had this issue when I had Lost Spires in my load order. Have you tried deactivating RST and going there?

Rather than a mod conflict, a consistant crash upon entering a particular cell could be something corrupted in the cell in the line of saves. I had that once with a corrupted spawn point from The Lost Spires in the cell with the Drunk Dragon exterior. I used Arthmoor's method for clearing it.

First trial and error to see if that is the case, uncheck The lost spires .esp and see if the crash still occurs. If not, test other mod.esps. If you find it then try to clear it. (you can use TESIV Edit to identify which mods edit a cell, but I do not myself know how to use TESIV Edit).

method 1: go back through recent saves to test if the corruption was recent and you are rather lucky you can go just back a few saves to before the corruption to avoid it.

Method 2: Uninstall Tthe Lost Spires and leave it uninstalled.

Method 3: Temporarilly uncheck the .esp. Then 3 nights in a row be in the cell when the day rolls over at midnight, so that you will be in it when the cell respawns (most cells respawn on a 3 day cycle). This will clear a corrupted spawn point for the mod. Then you can reload the mod on the clean save, but of course you will have to start that mod over.

If the corrupted spawn (or maybe other corrupted object) is from vanilla Oblivion, your only option is to go to a save before the corruption occured.

Note that one of the risks of using utilities that prevent or reduce in game crashes is an increased risk of corruption like this getting into your save line. Some of the in game CTDs are from errors that can result in corrupting something if the game does not crash.

Edited October 4, 2012 by LeftyScaevola

[LeftyScaevola]

Further playtest minor note:

Captain Gilean Slater consistantly spawns inside the ship mesh rather than on to of it.

[maura_amalia]

If its not been reported, RST places a stable/ranch area just north of Skingrad. It conflicts with Roads of Cyrodiil because it is smack in the middle of the Skingrad/Chorrol road from RoC. I also get a small land tear at the junction of the roads when I use RoC, RST, and UL Skingrad Ourskirts. I've reported this to the RoC thread already. Thanks.

Edited October 23, 2012 by maura_amalia

[Hanaisse]

Are you using the Skingrad Outskirts compatibility patch?

[LeftyScaevola]

Obsolete, deleted.

Edited October 23, 2012 by LeftyScaevola

[Arthmoor]

There's already a working patch included with the Roads of Cyrodiil Patches download on the RoC page.

[LeftyScaevola]

Ah, good, I did not see it your read me, but I see it as #12 folder in the patches download.

[godsfist13]

Need some help; my apprentice gives the "I HAVE NO GREETING" message whenever I try to talk to them. I'm using the updated version of RST 1.0.5. I have never played RST before downloading 1.5. Do I need to download past versions and update with the new maybe?

[DarkRider]

Does it happen with all the apprentices? Or just one in particular?

[DagonTheranis]

Heya,

as I mentioned in my intro, I've been having a peculiar bug with RST. The door to my home after I become a Blademaster doesn't exist. As in, the exterior is there, but the door itself is missing, and I can walk through the hole where it's supposed to be. I don't know why it's doing this, and I don't think it's a mod conflict since if I go into the CS and uncheck the "initially disabled" box from the door(s), they pop into existence (which I am using as a temporary fix). I've only done a light side playthrough, though (at least I think it's light side, since my apprentice is in the light side house), so I'm not sure if it happens with the dark side door, but it is slightly bothering me that this is happening (because I have no idea if I'm breaking anything by changing those doors).

[DarkRider]

Sounds like a glitch in the script that enables the door. You don't want to enable it in the CS though that will break the sequence for future play throughs. Instead, get the ID for the Dior and use a console command to enable it in game

[DagonTheranis]

Danke. I take it the command is just "enable"?

[LeftyScaevola]

It would be one of two separate doors depending on you aarcmoralcode score.

The aaRCPlayerLightBarracksDoor is RefID xx004b7d, The aaRCPlayerDarkBarracksDoor is ref id xx00d70d, the xx digits come for the lad index of the RecakuinSancreTor.esp

the console commands would be

prid RefId

enable

However, since the same script (triggered at stage 95 of aaRCMQ02a {Requisitions}) also tranfers all the itmes you left with the requisitions officer to your chest in your quarters, you might wind up missing your stuff. Stage 95 of aaRCMQ02a is set by stage 100 of aaRCNQ10 Trials by Blade. Stage 100 of aarcmq10 is set by a topic in your conversation with Thierny after the cavern of trials.

You need to find out where you are in those 2 quests with

getstage aarcmq10

and

getstage aarcmq02a

The interactions in this mod a complex, it took me 40 minutes in the CS to track all that down.

Edited December 22, 2012 by LeftyScaevola

[DagonTheranis]

Thanks; I'm sorry to say I figured out where the door was before I posted the report, and I figured out the command with some searching on the uesp, but at least it'll help other people and the effort is appreciated. However, that reminds me of another bug; I ended up playing this mod through with all of my gear, since I accidentally skipped a step in the process. I got horribly lost in Sancre Tor, and instead of finding my way to the Requisitions place as you're supposed to, I ended up finding Blademaster Sakai (I think that's his name - he's the guy who gives the warrior quests) before I'd given in my gear. It therefore continued the quest from the first time you meet the guy, and therefore skipped taking my gear, allowing me to play through the whole mod with all my gear intact. Now that I think of it, actually, that could be the reason I didn't get the house. The script to take my gear never ran, and as a result my gear was never placed in the chest, which is a script that appears to be tied to the house being enabled, which could mean that that script never ran which could mean that the house was never enabled. It's certainly a possibility. Either way, should you find the Blademaster before you hand over your gear, you can run through the entire mod without handing over your gear.

[DarkRider]

Must be a conflict because the doors to ST are locked until you go to requisitions...unless you unlocked them in the console

[DagonTheranis]

I don't remember unlocking them in the console, but it's a possibility since I was so completely and utterly lost. Even though it's close by, the fact that there's no quest marker, and no ability to re-obtain the directions to requisitions from anyone I could find (such as the guards and a lot of outdoors people) drove me nuts. Might be an idea to add a dialogue option that gives you the directions again to the guards or something, just for added "idiot (read Dagon) proofing".

[DarkRider]

It's a good suggestion, I'll add a target marker to requisitions in the next update, thanks

[saebel]

Hi Dark Rider,

I have tried and tried, and it doesn't seem to matter what I do, I can't get it to work. Any time I start getting anywhere near the Bruma world space, or just trying to fast travel to Cloud Ruler Temple, the game freezes up on me. Also, I can't reload any saves that I made after installing RST.

I've tried using TES4 Edit to see if I could get a sense of where the conflict might be coming from, but I'm having a heck of a time deciphering it.

Here's my load order. Let me know if you (or anyone else) spots what's going on. I'd love to be able to play this.

Active Mod Files:

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 5.0]
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 5.0]
03 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm [Version 5.0]
04 Tamrielic Ingredients.esm
05 Open Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.1.3]
06 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
07 Fundament.esm [Version ision]
08 PMSneakySummons.esm [Version 1]
09 Knights - Revelation.esm
0A Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.2]
0B UOPS Additional Changes.esp
0C DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0D Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.1]
++ USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0E SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.30]
0F Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp [Version 5.0]
10 FransCalipersBeGone.esp
11 Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
12 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
13 Skyrim Ingredients.esp
14 Willful Resistance.esp
15 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.3]
16 BookTrackerOBSE.esp
17 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
18 Duke Patricks - Safe Save.esp [Version 3.2]
19 Lava Does Fire Damage.esp
1A Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9.3]
1B Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.9.3]
1C Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.3.1]
1D DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
1F SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.11]
20 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
21 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
22 SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.30]
23 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
24 ACCCGR SI.esp
25 RSArmor.esp
26 Wood Bows and Leather Armors.esp
27 Mounted_Spellcasting.esp
28 Mounted_Trampling.esp
29 Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 5.0]
2A Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp [Version 5.0]
2B Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]
2C Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp [Version 5.0]
2D Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp [Version 5.0]
2E Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp [Version 5.0]
2F Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp [Version 5.0]
30 Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp [Version 5.0]
31 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]
32 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp [Version 5.0]
33 Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp [Version 5.0]
34 TIE.esp [Version 1.48]
35 TIE+Frans NPC Inventory.esp [Version 1.0]
36 Cats & Rats for Francescos.esp
37 Tamrielic_Ingredients.esp
38 EM_CompInnsleeping.esp [Version 0.9]
39 Trade and Commerce.esp [Version 1.01]
3A EMBridgeHouse.esp
3B Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp
3C Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
3D OCR + Kvatch Rebuilt Patch.esp [Version 3.0]
3E VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.6]
3F za_bankmod.esp
40 DLCFrostcrag.esp
41 Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag.esp
42 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
43 OCOD+FrostcragSpire Patch.esp
44 SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp [Version 1.2]
45 AFK_Frostcrag.esp [Version 1.2.Non-COBL]
46 BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp [Version 1.0.1]
47 Knights.esp
48 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]
49 Knights - Revelation.esp
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
4A OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp [Version 3.0]
4B ReclaimSancreTor.esp [Version 1.0.5]
4C Frostcrag Village.esp [Version 1.0.7]
4D Open Cities New Sheoth.esp [Version 2.0]
4E Open Cities Outer Districts.esp [Version 4.1.1]
4F Open Cities Reborn.esp [Version 1.1.3]
50 OCR-East Wind.esp
51 OCR-Flags Removed.esp
52 RST+OCR Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
53 OCR-TAC Patch.esp
54 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.1]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.1]
55 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.1]
56 Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp [Version 1.2.5]
57 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3.2]
58 Dousing The Flames.esp [Version 1.10]
59 Goblin Tribal Shields.esp
5A tag_NaturalWildlife.esp
5B Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 5.4.3]
5C RealisticForceHigh.esp
5D RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
5E HavokCollisionFix.esp
5F StealthyAbsorbsAndDrains.esp
60 RshAlchemy.esp
61 RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
62 Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 7.3.5]
63 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp [Version 7.1]
64 Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp [Version 4]
65 Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp [Version 5.9]
66 Bundlement.esp [Version ision]
67 nGCD.esp
68 nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp
++ nGCD Skeleton Key.esp
69 JCN_AV Uncap.esp [Version 1.01]
6A SDR_Core.esp [Version 5.0.1]
++ SDR_Detect Life Shader Patch (Oblivion).esp [Version 5.0.0]
6B SDR_Perks And Patches (Oblivion).esp [Version 5.0.0]
** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
** Cava Obscura - SI.esp
** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp
6C 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
6D bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
++ PMSneakySummonCompatibility.esp [Version 1]
6E bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
6F bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
70 [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
++ kuerteeEffectDrainShaderInitialGlowOnly.esp
** TIE Weapon + Armor Filter.esp
71 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
72 TQP with A and E.esp

[Tigersong]

I recently moved Oblivion back to Program Files (x86). Now, with most mods I've found that moving their files to the new directory is all I need to play them. I'm just wondering whether RST will be as easy to relocate.

[DarkRider]

Yes, that shouldn't impact RST as long as the Oblivion directory is normal.

[DesolationSmith]

Hey,

I finally got off my butt and installed RST, and started playing through the mod last night. Got the armor, got the note but finished the DB quest line first, then went to Cloud Ruler and took point in the escort mission (which is something I personally hate) and got to the Tor just fine. Went inside, talked to the bosses and am on my way to the barracks. But after I enter the "Sancre Tor, Entry Hall" cell, I can no longer wait or sleep. Every time I try I CTD. I have narrowed this down to RST, and to actually crossing into this cell. I have tried leaving the Tor and going to different houses and sleeping/waiting with the same CTD result. I am not using a standard install of Oblivion (I have a SSD and HDD with Oblivion on the HDD (E:)). I have tried running RST with only the basics installed (Oblivion, UOP, OOO, COBL, etc.) and still get the crashing issue. This looks great and I'd love to go farther into the quest, but I'd like to be able to sleep/wait as well. Load order below (sorted it with BOSS, didn't help). Thanks for any help anyone can provide!

Oblivion.esm

Cobl Main.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Knights - Revelation.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

NOAH.esp

NOAH - Remove Cloud Effect.esp

SkinMannequinVan.esp

VA_BetterGold.esp

Map Marker Overhaul.esp

Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp

Quick Clothes and Spells.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

ArenaEyeCandyArmor.esp

Bloodworm_Helm_Replacer.esp

DarkWoods_Weapons_Armor.esp

DMACArmor.esp

Dungeon Explorer.esp

FB_DC_Mega_Pack_OMOD.esp

Nicos Kynareth Archery.esp

ninjacowl.esp

PTArtifacts.esp

Dark Legion.esp

LustyBretonnianMaid.esp

TrawlolsCorinthianGladiator.esp

AncientTowers.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

ExnemRuneskulls.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp

Alluring Wine Bottles.esp

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

AdrenalineOblivion-SpawnElement.esp

Trade and Commerce.esp

Anduril Reforged.esp

Armory Lab 5.9 OOO.esp

Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp

ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp

ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp

JQ-AssassinQuest.esp

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

za_bankmod.esp

24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Revelation.esp

EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

DarkBrotherhoodChronicles.esp

ReclaimSancreTor.esp

Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

RealisticFlora.esp

RealisticFlora - DLCFrostcrag.esp

RealisticFlora - DLCVileLair.esp

Cliff_BetterLetters.esp

DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp

EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp

LG's Unique Enemies.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

Advanced Mark & Recall.esp

RshAlchemy.esp

RshAlchemyRecipes.esp

Oblivion XP.esp

DesuChan's Kawa-Khajiits.esp

EVE_KhajiitFix.esp

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp

Ahtata Arquamer spike4hair.esp

Schoolgirl02.esp

Des Better Imperial Dragon Armor.esp

Edited March 14, 2013 by DesolationSmith